Quote from LRB_Aly :

And that meant that they had to design very sophisticated aerodynamics which looses a lot of downforce when caught behind another car.

100% agree, but there is still more.

One way to pass another car is to blast by it if you have WAY more power. But that's not very often the case when two drivers with comparable laptimes fight each other.

Most overtaking happens on the brakes. One big problem in F1 is that the braking distances have become so short that it is nearly impossible to gain enough of an advantage in this little distance. So anything that increases the braking distance makes overtaking easier.

So any kind of grip-reduction should make the situation better - you loose an amount of the ability to get the force of the brakes down to the ground. But I think a banning of the carbon fibre brakes would also do the trick. Their braking capabilities are so enormous that this might even be the most effective way to enlarge braking distances. But since I'm not a race engineer this is only an assumption of what I heard and read about carbon brakes. Maybe I'm completely wrong here...

Last edited by Christian Seidel, Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:27.

Quote from Jakg :

one question ive always felt to n00bish to ask, why did Senna crash?

I once read an article about that which was based on the results of an investigation that included the FIA and Williams. I'm sorry, but I can't remember anymore where I found that.

In this article they ripped the whole telemetry data of the accident apart and gave an explanation to what had happened.

The bottom line was that Senna, in an effort to go faster, slightly missed the apex of the old Tamburello curve and went a bit wide. Doing so he crossed a bump on the road surface that you don't cross when driving on the ideal line. As a result (I forgot if he was bottoming out or if just a loss of contact by the suspension occured) he lost grip for a short moment, left the grippy part of the track completely and had no more chance of recovery - being at very high speed on a dirty part of the track he just went straight off the road and smashed into the wall.

I still remember that the data showed that Sennas reaction time was some kind of supernatural. IIRC he reacted to the bump in just slightly more than 1/10 of a second. AFAIK an average human being has a reaction time of 1/3 of a second.

No evidence for a broken steering was found.

But one should also remember, that he wasn't primarily killed by the impact itself, but by a part of the suspension that went through his helmet visor right into his head.

Quote from ajp71 :

OK Becky I think your better at physicology than me

Not really...

You shouldn't take all that stuff from Becky too seriously.

I won't go any deeper into this, but that's mainly because I find it rather pointless to argue with people who think that winning some completely irrelevant kart-championship is more important than their health. :pillepall

No further comment from me on this...

Quote from ajp71 :

No I've never raced but been around club racing circles all my life and have never heard any of this I feel absolutley no fear at all bollocks in the racing circles I've been around (or believed it at least).

Of course not. A race driver without fear is dead in no time.

You might feel comfortable with the speed you're going but this is something different to feeling no fear.

Quote from ajp71 :

No I've never driven a proper kart, nor do I claim to have. I don't know how much fear you actually feel in one but I'm sure once you know your relatively safe your fine. Having only driven hire karts I don't feel any fear in them knowing that the only chance you actually have of hurting yourself is in a T-bone (which obviously can still be pretty nasty even @ 30) but unless your being a dick you won't have that. This results in harmless high contact highly competitive fun

Sorry, BUT:

If you don't know about kart racing you should better not draw any conclusions about it.

Maybe you didn't happen to know that a proper racing kart can produce g-forces that are high enough to break the drivers' ribs just from cornering. I know that because my cousin once did that.

And believe me that these kinds of cornering speeds CAN be scary, especially in long, fast turns.

And also believe me that even a proper 100cc racing kart can go faster than 30 - be it mph or kph. On the short tracks you usually drive on with karts, you mostly don't get faster than 130 kph (dunno what's possible on a looooong straight... ). But again: approaching VERY tight hairpins with 130 kph and maybe some kind of wall behind it can also be rather scary.

I also see that you are 16 years old and you say that you have not driven proper karts so far. So I think you have also never driven any other proper racing vehicle on slicks either. Am I right? If yes, then you better should not talk about real racing as if you know what you're talking about.

Watching real racing and doing it by yourself is a world of a difference. Even if it is only karting.

Please don't take this as an offence - it's just a fact.

I will surely take the BF1 on some laps around one of the new Aston configs. And when I had enough of spinning and getting sea-sick from that, I can't wait to test the new tyre physics on one of the old VERY tail happy cars like the FZ5 or the RAC or something like that. I really hope they will be controllable in a normal way...

It's not just too clear to see but I think it is visible without a doubt. Picture is from http://www.bmw-sauber-f1.com and it's part of the car launch. So I guess everything is fine at least in this part of the model.

Quote from Hyperactive :

I was skinning happily the new F1 car (ooh!) and noticed this error in the model. Or at least it looks like it... dunno. Check the attached pic.

Not sure if this has come up already...?

Don't take this as moaning, I am not bothered by it. Just to let you know.

(ooh! F1 car!) You just can't say F1 car (ooh!) without saying ooh!

EDIT: I have the S-version

Sorry, but what exactly do you mean? I really can't see an error in your attached pic. Or am I missing something?

Quote from MadCatX :

I understand to this, but IMO that piece of carbon SHOULD NOT be there.... right? Just take a look form TOP 2D view in Viewer. That carbon is not there.... thats why I call it a glitch.

Also found some pics from the presentation of the car in which this piece of carbon is clearly visible. There are more under http://www.bmw-sauber-f1.com/ to be found but those were the best ones I could find that quickly.

EDIT: and it's also visible in the top-view - at least for me... (proof added)

Last edited by Christian Seidel, Tue 18 Apr 2006, 17:21.

Hmmm...

Maybe there is still something missing in Viewer S?

EDIT: changed to another pic with slightly better visibility.

Last edited by Christian Seidel, Tue 18 Apr 2006, 16:56.

Just a little sidenote:

the FO8 and the FOX now not only have flat suspension parts but also keels to hold them underneath their "nose".

Now everybody keep on going mad about the BMW...

Quote from Dygear :

http://www.eagleraceteam.com/~ ... nBF1_xvid_360p_5000br.avi
http://www.thenz.org/SpinBF1_xvid_360p_5000br.avi

THX!!!!

Quote from filur :

:bowdown: :weeping:

Hehehe...

Maybe we should make our own teaser-pics...

Quote from felplacerad :

well if it does say nuno maia, which i think it does, the answer is obvious ...
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... amp;highlight=nuno%20maia

Ah! I see!

Didn't someone say it was Nuno Maia?

At least if you turn the pic clockwise it COULD say Nuno Maia...

Quote from XCNuse :

but.. whats up with forum, i cant even see the threads i have said something in anymore

My guess is that they reduced the forum for some bandwidth-eating functions to keep it going somehow. That could be the reason why all the lovely avatars have gone...

Quote from BigDave2967 :

Not a problem .

As a small rumour, Mark Webber, used to play Grand Prix 4, to know the tracks better . Not sure if that was true or not .

I read about that - was a big Geoff Crammond fan and bought all his F1 sims. Sadly GP4 was so extremely bugged - but at least no low-speed-grip-issues back then...

Quote from BigDave2967 :

The game is F1 2005. It's for the PS2, can play online against others. I used to have it, and LFS is way better than the game itself, I can guarrentee you that.

THX for the info!

Quote from wE1l :

Anyone has any idea what platform is JV driving on in that vid? A private simulator owned by an F1 team? I want it!

As far as I can see he uses a DFP - so I think it is a PS2 or maybe a PC. But since I don't know the game that he is driving, I can't say for sure.

Quote from afastest :

What? One is taken from liveforspeed.net itself (While we finish the patch), and the other told by a beta-tester? Or maybe you mean the devs are not telling the truth (which is actually lying) ?

If you would have read my post carefully you would have seen that I assumed that finishing a patch can also mean something else but only coding it.

But hey - you're right, I'm wrong.

Are you OK with that? At least I am...

Quote from afastest :

Nice, the claims about the patch being finished before releasing updates have been proved wrong.

Human's mind is an interesting thing, most you have waited since last summer for a physics update without going crazy, and now when it is certain the patch will come within two weeks, now some start to go crazy? Take it easy people

Sorry, but there is not a single proof - only assumptions.

And this is exactly what I made - only assumptions.

You should take every assumption for what it is and not say one of them is a fact and the other one not. Stay objective please...

Quote from afastest :

So you claim that they finished the patch and also tested it in just few days?

Not quite.

I believe that the patch was ready before they announced the daily updates.

Finishing the patch can also mean making a complete package out of all the development stuff to make it ready for a public release after it has been tested. And maybe also preparing the download mirrors for the run that will be up to them could be described as finishing - in a way...maybe...

Well, that's just my humble opinion as I said.

Quote from Huru-aito :

You seem to have much of knowledge of nK and that might give you some sort of credibility here (at least has in my eyes). But don't go guessing things concerning LFS development / release schedules

No no, he's got a good point there. The devs obviously know what will be in the patch and how many daily updates they can make. So when they started the teasing they knew when it had to end, which is the release date according to the fact that they said they would give an update every day until release.

So I think we can be pretty sure that the devs already have a fixed release date. And if this is the case they must be sure that the patch is ready for release on that date. And you can only be 100% sure about that if the patch is already finished and tested.

Just my 2 cents...

Quote from Trev084 :

yeah sorry bout that, as i said i am knew to this forum and i didnt realise it was his signature, i am on a few different forums and every now and then you will get someone that wants to be a smartass.

That's no reason to insult somebody.

You know, there are other, more civilised ways of telling somebody that you don't like what he said - mistaken or not...

Please...

Quote from Vendetta :

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read the sentence you quoted. it says ONLY for graphical effect

Yeah, but it also says "For now"...